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From: Evgeny Goosev <ezgene@mac.com>
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:59:57 -0700
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I'm I'll right now but if Wade can confess weakness here, I've got this part down near perfectly, and that makes everyone the happiest regardless of what happens. 

ALWAYS KEEP $$ Medium and do able (60/hr)  AWAYS COMMIT TO PERFECT RESULTS, But ONLY for the next step. AGREE PERFECT PROGRESS, but only to THE NEXT SMALL DOABLE CHUNK. Agree each chunk PERFECTION ATTAINMENT determines commitment whether to continue to next chunk, or hire another. 

Now you can be PERFECT because you will Agree every clarification is on the clock (  and our list wisdom is your insurance.)

All payment is advances or milestones. Then be absolutely honest about every detail as you work, social, personal, philosophical, technical, etc. COMMUNICATE!

lastly, never own the job. It's always the client's attempt to win a gamble to get rich. Link every act to this. That defines BUSINESS ; )

Got some bug, but still Cheerfully,
Gene

Then

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On Aug 24, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kegan Gg Daniel <danielkegan@gmail.com> wrote:

> A fair total cost can't be estimated without some assessment of the current Helix collection.
> When the collection was crafted (under which Helix version);
> Which Helix version it now runs under;
> Total size of structure;
> total size of data;
> number of relations;
> number of views;
> number of user icons;
> are some of the objective that that might be informative.
> 
> Most important is whether the current collection design is good, fair, ora
> rat's nest--but that's often not a polite question to ask a prospective client,
> and even if you did, the reliability of the answer is quite uncertain.
> 
> Asking who (all the whos) who build the collection might be an easier question;
> along with about how many hours (or $) was spent in building the collection.
> 
> Has it run flawlessly since first installed;
> how frequent have been bugs and crashes;
> when were there major rewrites.
> 
> How mission critical is the collection (which impacts how easily you can muck
> around): 24/7 oxygen, or can the system be down for 1 or 12 or 48 hours.
> 
> Likely, a fair start is
> an hourly charge with a max for initial diagnosis and estimate.
> 
> Daniel Kegan * daniel@keganlaw.com * Kegan & Kegan, Ltd.
> 79 W Monroe St #1320 Chicago IL 60603-4969 USA
> Phn 312=782-6495 x21; Fax 312=782-6494
> We identify, develop, and protect intangible business assets
> and counsel other professionals on legal issues
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> 
> On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Collins Owens wrote:
>> I have been contacted by a Helix user and asked to come to their site and "upgrade" their application, all their forms, to be presentable on OS X machines.
>> They are asking the first question always asked,...  "how much will it cost me...."
>> So, Question:  What is a standard or typical rate to charge for this type of work?  They are insisting at first that I commute to their office - about 40 miles, but eventually they may let me work via timbuctu.
>> Is it more typical to charge by the hour?  How much is normal?
>> or by the job? How much per form?
>> Thanks,
>> Collins
> 
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