Return-Path: Received: from ice.mm.com ([75.125.131.242] verified) by realpeople.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTP id 1560749 for Helix-L@realpeople.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:07:29 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=realpeople.com; client-ip=75.125.131.242; envelope-from=wintrack@mm.com Received: from [70.100.245.118] (static-70-100-245-118.br1.nwr.wi.frontiernet.net [70.100.245.118]) (Authenticated sender: wintrack) by ice.mm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1C7A201821E for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:04:35 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Wade Brezina Subject: Re: [Hx] Typical Fees Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:07:23 -0500 To: "Helix Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Steven, I would be happy to build any job like a construction project. Unfortunately, unlike a construction project, people do not want to provide accurate plans to build to. They want to give me a sketch on the back of a napkin and expect me to deliver a code compliant building meeting every idea that they imagined was outlined in the sketch. You don't do business the way you expect a helix consultant to. Perhaps that is why you do your own work. You expect us to take our own time to design a solution for you and then tell you what it would cost for us to build that design. If you don't like the cost you say no and we loose the money we invested in building a quote for you. When someone wants hair removed you charge them for developing the plan to do it and then charge them for the procedure. If they don't like the plan or the price they don't get the procedure but you get paid for your time in accessing their needs. This is something you see fit to charge for but refuse to pay for. Wade On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Steven Finder wrote: > Bid it like every construction company bids a project. Be smart > about the bid. If you have a clear understanding of the project and > a clear understanding of the current status of the collection (if > any) and can't estimate a good price then you aren't really an > expert. (note, this is my view as a customer). By the way, the > price you estimate is the price at which you believe you will earn > a fair profit given the invariable issues that are sure to arise. > And when issues that arise are beyond the scope of agreement, then > you negotiate a change order or addendum.